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title: "For Quintus Roscius the Actor · Pro Q. Roscio comoedo"
author: "Cicero"
translator: "Charles Duke Yonge"
languages: [la, en]
shelf: "Classical Latin"
url: https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/
cite: "Cicero, tr. Charles Duke Yonge, For Quintus Roscius the Actor · Pro Q. Roscio comoedo. Scriptura (scriptura.si), https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/"
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# For Quintus Roscius the Actor · Pro Q. Roscio comoedo

*Cicero, tr. Charles Duke Yonge*

A suit over the profits of a slave trained as an actor by Rome’s most famous actor.

> Latin: ed. Albert Curtis Clark, from the Perseus Digital Library (canonical-latinLit, phi0474.phi003, CC BY-SA 4.0).

> English: Charles Duke Yonge, from the Perseus Digital Library (phi0474.phi003.perseus-eng2). Notes are not included.

> Rows follow the references the two texts share (chapters and sections), cut where both reach the end of a sentence.

## Contents

1. [Sections 3–29](https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/1.md)
2. [Sections 30–56](https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/2.md)

## 1. Sections 3–29

Source: https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/1/ · cite a paragraph as https://scriptura.si/works/cicero-pro-roscio-comoedo/1/#p-N

[¶0] After the last speech which was delivered A. U. C. 674, Cicero went to Athens, where he remained eighteen months, and after his return he did not employ himself at first as an advocate but devoted himself rather to philosophical studies. But in the third year, A. U. C. 677, when his friend Roscius, the comic actor, was interested in a cause, he returned to the bar. The subject of the action in which this speech was this: A man of the name of Fannius Chaerea had articled a young slave to Roscius on condition that Roscius was to teach him the art of acting, and that he and Fannius were afterwards to share his earnings. The slave was afterwards killed and Roscius brought an action against the man who had killed him, Quintus Flavius by name and received as damages a farm worth 100,000 sesterces—for his half share in the slave, according to his own account, but as the full value of the slave according to Fannius but the fact was that Fannius also had brought an action against Flavius and had recovered similar damages. Fannius sued Roscius for 50,000 sesterces, as his share of the damages which he (Roscius) had received from Flavius, suppressing the fact of his having obtained a similar sum himself. The beginning of this speech is lost, and also a considerable portion at the end. ... He, forsooth, excellent man, and of singular integrity, endeavours in his own cause to bring forward his account-books as witnesses. Men are accustomed to say.... Did I endeavour to corrupt such a man as that, so as to induce him to make a false entrance for my sake? I am waiting till Chaerea uses this argument. Was I able to induce this hand to be full of falsehood, and these fingers to make a false entry? But if he produces his accounts, Roscius will also produce his. These words will appear in the books of the one, but not in those of the other. Why should you trust one rather than the other? Oh, would he ever have written it if he had not borne this expense by his authority? No, says the other, would he not have written it if he had given the authority? For just as it is discreditable to put down what is not owed, so it is dishonest not to put down what you do owe. For his accounts are just as much condemned who omits to make an entry of the truth, as his who puts down what is false. But see now to what, relying on the abundance and cogency of my arguments, I am now coming. If Caius Fannius produces in his own behalf his accounts of money received and paid, written at his own pleasure, I do not object to your giving your decision in his favour.

> Latin: … malitiam naturae crederetur. scilicet vir optimus et singulari fide praeditus in suo iudicio suis tabulis testibus uti conatur. fere dicere qui per tabulas hominis honesti pecuniam expensam tulerunt: “egone talem virum corrumpere potui, ut mea causa falsum in codicem referret?” quam mox Chaerea hac oratione utatur: “egone hanc manum plenam perfidiae et hos digitos meos impellere potui ut falsum perscriberent nomen?” si ille suas proferet tabulas, proferet suas quoque Roscius. in illius tabulis hoc nomen, at ⟨in⟩ huius non erit. potius illius quam huius credetur?— ille, si non iussu huius expensum tulisset? — scripsisset hic quod sibi expensum ferre iussisset? quem ad modum turpe est scribere quod non debeatur, sic improbum est non referre quod debeas. enim tabulae condemnantur eius qui verum non rettulit et eius qui falsum perscripsit. ego copia et facultate causae confisus vide quo progrediar. tabulas C. Fannius accepti et expensi profert suas in suam rem suo arbitratu scriptas, quo minus secundum illum iudicetis non recuso.

[¶1] 3. What brother would show so much indulgence to a brother, what father to a son, as to consider whatever he entered in this manner proof of a fact? Oh, Roscius will ratify it. Produce your books; what you were convinced of, he will be convinced of; what was approved of by you, will be approved of by him. A little while ago we demanded the accounts of Marcus Perperna, and of Publius Saturius. Now, O Caius Fannius Chaerea, we demand your accounts alone, and we do not object to the action being decided by them—Why then do you not produce them?

> Latin: 3. hoc frater fratri, quis parens filio tribuit ut, quodcumque rettulisset, id ratum haberet? habebit Roscius; profer; quod tibi fuerit persuasum, huic erit persuasum, quod tibi fuerit probatum, huic erit probatum. Paulo ante M. Perpennae, P. Saturi tabulas poscebamus, nunc tuas, C. Fanni Chaerea, solius flagitamus et quo minus secundum eas lis detur non recusamus; quid ita non profers?

[¶2] 4. Does he not keep accounts? Indeed he does most carefully. Does he not enter small matters in his books? Indeed be does everything. Is this a small and trifling sum? It is 100,000 sesterces. How is it that such an extraordinary sum us omitted?—how is it that a hundred thousand sesterces, received and expended, are not down in the books? Oh, ye immortal gods that there should be any one endued with such audacity, as to dare to demand a sum which he is afraid to enter in his account-books; not to hesitate to swear before the court to what, when not on his oath, he scrupled to put on paper; to endeavour to persuade another of what he is unable to make out to his own satisfaction.

> Latin: 4. conficit tabulas? diligentissime. refert parva nomina in codices? omnis summas. et tenue hoc nomen est? HS ccciↄↄↄ sunt. modo tibi tanta pecunia extraordinaria iacet? quo modo HS ccciↄↄↄ in codice accepti et expensi non sunt? di immortales! essene quemquam tanta audacia praeditum qui, quod nomen referre in tabulas timeat, id petere audeat, quod in codicem iniuratus referre noluerit, id iurare in litem non dubitet, quod sibi probare non possit, id persuadere alteri conetur!

[¶3] 5. He says that I am indignant, and sent the accounts too soon; he confesses that he has not this sum entered in his book of money received and expended; but he asserts that it does occur in his memoranda. Are you then so fond of yourself, have you such a magnificent opinion of yourself, as to ask for money from us on the strength, not of your account-books, but of your memoranda? To read one's account-books instead of producing witnesses, is a piece of arrogance; but is it not insanity to produce mere notes of writings and scraps of paper?

> Latin: 5. cito ait me indignari de tabulis; non habere se hoc nomen in codicem accepti et expensi relatum confitetur, sed in adversariis patere contendit. Vsque eone te diligis et magnifice circumspicis ut pecuniam non ex tuis tabulis sed ⟨ex⟩ adversariis petas? codicem testis loco recitare adrogantiae est; suarum perscriptionum et liturarum adversaria proferre non amentia est?

[¶4] 6. If memoranda have the same force and authority, and are arranged with the same care as accounts, where is the need of making an account-book? of making out careful lists? of keeping a regular order? of making a permanent record of old writings? But if we have adopted the custom of making account-books, because we put no trust in flying memoranda, shall that which, by all individuals, is considered unimportant and not to be relied on, be considered important and holy before a judge?

> Latin: 6. si eandem vim, diligentiam auctoritatemque habent adversaria quam tabulae, quid attinet codicem instituere, conscribere, ordinem conservare, memoriae tradere litterarum vetustatem? si, quod adversariis nihil credimus, idcirco codicem scribere instituimus, quod etiam apud omnis leve et infirmum est, id apud iudicem grave et sanctum esse ducetur? est quod neglegenter scribamus adversaria?

[¶5] 7. Why is it that we write down memoranda carelessly, that we make up account-books carefully? For what reason? Because the one is to last a month, the other for ever; these are immediately expunged those are religiously preserved; these embrace the recollection of a short time, those pledge the good faith and honesty of a man for ever; these are thrown away, those are arranged in order. Therefore, no one ever produced memoranda at a trial; men do produce accounts, and read entries in books. You, O Caius Piso, a man of the greatest good faith, and virtue, and dignity, and authority, would not venture to demand money on the strength of memoranda.

> Latin: 7. quid est quod diligenter conficiamus tabulas? qua de causa? haec sunt menstrua, illae sunt aeternae; haec delentur statim, illae servantur sancte; haec parvi temporis memoriam, illae perpetuae existimationis fidem et religionem amplectuntur; haec sunt disiecta, illae sunt in ordinem confectae. adversaria in iudicium protulit nemo; codicem protulit, tabulas recitavit., C. Piso, tali fide, virtute, gravitate, auctoritate ornatus ex adversariis pecuniam petere non auderes.

[¶6] 8. I need not say any more about matters in which the custom is so notorious; but I ask you this, which is very material to the question, How long ago is it, O Fannius, that you made this entry in your memoranda? He blushes; he does not know what to answer; he is at a loss for anything to invent off-hand. “It is two months ago,” you will say; yet it ought to have been copied into the account-book of money received and paid. “It is more than six months.” Why then is it left so long in the memorandum-book? What if it is more than three years ago? How is it that, when every one else who makes up account-books transfers his accounts every month almost into his books you allow this sum to remain among your memoranda more than three years?

> Latin: 8. quae clara sunt consuetudine diutius dicere non debeo; illud vero quod ad rem vehementer pertinet, quaero: quam pridem hoc nomen, Fanni, in adversaria rettulisti?, quid respondeat nescit, quid fingat extemplo non habet. duo menses iam, dices. in codicem accepti et expensi ⟨referri⟩ debuit. sunt sex menses. tam diu iacet hoc nomen in adversariis? si tandem amplius triennium est? quo modo, cum omnes qui tabulas conficiant menstruas paene rationes in tabulas transferant, tu hoc nomen triennium amplius in adversariis iacere pateris?

[¶7] 9. Have you all other sums of money received and expended regularly entered, or not? If not, how is it that you make up your books? If you have, how is it that, when you were entering all other items in regular order, you leave this sum, which was one of the greatest of all in amount, for more than three years in your memoranda? “You did not like it to be known that Roscius was in your debt.” Why did you put it down at all? “You were asked not to enter it.” Why did you put it down in your memoranda? But, although I think this is strong enough, yet I cannot satisfy myself unless I get evidence from Caius Fannius himself that this money is not owed to him. It is a great thing which I am attempting; it is a difficult thing which I am undertaking; yet I will agree that Roscius shall not gain the verdict unless he has the same man both for his adversary and for his witness.

> Latin: 9. Vtrum cetera nomina in codicem accepti et expensi digesta habes an non? non, quo modo tabulas conficis? si etiam, quam ob rem, cum cetera nomina in ordinem referebas, hoc nomen triennio amplius, quod erat in primis magnum, in adversariis relinquebas? sciri debere tibi Roscium; cur scribebas? eras ne referres; cur in adversariis scriptum habebas? haec quamquam firma esse video, tamen ipse mihi satis facere non possum, nisi a C. Fannio ipso testimonium sumo hanc pecuniam ei non deberi. Magnum est quod conor, difficile est quod polliceor; nisi eundem et adversarium et testem habuerit Roscius, nolo vincat.

[¶8] 10. A definite sum of money was owed to you, which is now sought to be recovered at law; and security for a legitimate portion of it has been given. In this case, if you have demanded one sesterce more than is owed to you, you have lost your cause; because trial before a judge is one thing, arbitration is another. Trial before a judge is about a definite sum of money; arbitration about one which is not determined. We come before a judge so as either to gain the whole suit or to lose it; we go before an arbiter on the understanding that we may not get all we asked, and on the other hand may not get nothing.

> Latin: 10. tibi debebatur certa, quae nunc petitur per iudicem, in qua legitimae partis sponsio facta est. tu si amplius HS nummo petisti, quam tibi debitum est, causam perdidisti, propterea quod aliud est iudicium, aliud est arbitrium. est pecuniae certae, arbitrium incertae; ad iudicium hoc modo venimus ut totam litem aut obtineamus aut amittamus; ad arbitrium hoc animo adimus ut neque nihil neque tantum quantum postulavimus consequamur. rei ipsa verba formulae testimonio sunt.

[¶9] 11. Of that the very words of the formula are a proof. What is the formula in a trial before a judge? Direct severe, and simple; “if it be plain that fifty thousand sesterces ought to be paid.” Unless he makes it plain that fifty thousand sesterces to a single farthing are due to him, he loses his cause. What is the formula in a cause brought before an arbiter? “That whatever is just and right shall be given.” But that man confesses that he is asking more than is owed to him, but that he will be satisfied and more than satisfied with what is given him by the arbiter. Therefore the one has confidence in his case, the other distrusts his.

> Latin: 11. est in iudicio?, asperum, simplex: si paret HS iↄↄↄ dari —. nisi planum facit HS iↄↄↄ ad libellam sibi deberi, causam perdit. est in arbitrio?, moderatum: qvantvm aeqvivs et melivs sit dari. tamen confitetur plus se petere quam debeatur, sed satis superque habere dicit quod sibi ab arbitro tribuatur. alter causae confidit, alter diffidit.

[¶10] 12. And as this is the case, I ask you why you made an agreement to abide by arbitration in a matter involving this sum, this very fifty thousand sesterces, and the credit of your own account-books? why you admitted an arbitrator in such a case to decide what it was right and proper should be paid to you; or secured to you by bond, if it so seemed good to him? Who was the arbitrator in this matter? I wish he were at Rome. He is at Rome. I wish he were in court. He is. I wish he were sitting as assessor to Caius Piso. He is Caius Piso himself. Did you take the same man for both arbitrator, and judge? Did you permit to the same man unlimited liberty of varying his decision, and also limit him to the strictest formula of the bond? Who ever went before an arbitrator and got all that he demanded? No one; for he only got all that it was just should be given him. You have come before a judge for the very same sum for which you had recourse to an arbiter.

> Latin: 12. cum ita sint, quaero abs te quid ita de hac pecunia, de his ipsis HS iↄↄↄ, de tuarum tabularum fide compromissum feceris, arbitrum sumpseris qvantvm aeqvivs et melivs sit dari repromittiqve si pareat. in hanc rem fuit arbiter? Vtinam is quidem Romae esset! Romae est. Vtinam adesset in iudicio!. Vtinam sederet in consilio C. Pisonis! C. Piso est. tu arbitrum et iudicem sumebas? eidem et infinitam largitionem remittebas et eundem in angustissimam formulam sponsionis concludebas? umquam ad arbitrum, quantum petiit, tantum abstulit?; quantum enim aequius esset sibi dari, petiit. quo nomine ad arbitrum adisti, de eo ad iudicem venisti! cum ad iudicem causam labefactari animadvertunt, ad arbitrum confugiunt, hic ab arbitro ad iudicem venire est ausus!

[¶11] 13. Other men, when they see that their cause is failing before a judge, fly to an arbitrator. This man has dared to come from an arbiter to a judge, who when he admitted an arbitrator about this money, and about the credit due to his account-books, gave a plain indication that no money was owing to him. Already two-thirds of the cause are over. He admits that he has not set down the sum as due, and he does not venture to say that he has entered it as paid, since he does not produce his books. The only alternative remaining, is for him to assert that he had received a promise of it; for otherwise I do not see how he can possibly demand a definite sum of money. Did you receive a promise of it? When? On what day? At what time? In whose presence?

> Latin: 13. qui cum de hac pecunia tabularum fide arbitrum sumpsit, iudicavit sibi pecuniam non deberi. duae partes causae sunt confectae; adnumerasse sese negat, expensum tulisse non dicit, cum tabulas non recitat. est ut stipulatum se esse dicat; praeterea enim quem ad modum certam pecuniam petere possit non reperio. es—ubi, quo die, quo tempore, quo praesente?

[¶12] 14. Who says that I made such a promise? No one. If I were to make an end of speaking here, I appear to have said enough to acquit myself as far as my good faith and diligence are at stake—to have said enough for the cause and dispute, enough for the formula and bond; I seem to have said enough to satisfy the judge why judgment ought to pass for Roscius. A definite sum of money has been demanded; security is given for a third part of it; this money must either have been given, or set down as paid, or promised. Fannius admits it was not given; the books of Fannius prove that it has not been set down as paid; the silence of witnesses proves that it was never promised.

> Latin: 14. quis spopondisse me dicit?. ego si finem faciam dicendi, satis fidei et diligentiae meae, satis causae et controversiae, satis formulae et sponsioni, satis etiam iudici fecisse videar cur secundum Roscium iudicari debeat. petita est certa; cum tertia parte sponsio facta est. pecunia necesse est aut data aut expensa lata aut stipulata sit. non esse Fannius confitetur, expensam latam non esse codices Fanni confirmant, stipulatam non esse taciturnitas testium concedit. ergo est?

[¶13] 15. What do we want more? Because the defendant is a man to whom money has always seemed of no value, but character of the very highest, and the judge is a man whom we are no less anxious to have think well of us than to decide favourably for us, and the bar present is such, that on account of its extraordinary brilliancy we ought to feel almost as much respect for it as for another judge, we will speak as if every regular trial, every honorary arbitration, every domestic duty were included and comprehended in the present formula. That former oration was necessary, this shall be a voluntary one; the other was addressed to the judge, this is addressed to Caius Piso; that was on behalf of a defendant, this is on behalf of Roscius; the one was prepared to gain a victory, this one to preserve a good character.

> Latin: 15. et reus is est cui et pecunia levissima et existimatio sanctissima fuit semper, et iudex est is quem nos non minus bene de nobis existimare quam secundum nos iudicare velimus, et advocatio ea est quam propter eximium splendorem ut iudicem unum vereri debeamus, perinde ac si in hanc formulam omnia iudicia legitima, omnia arbitria honoraria, omnia officia domestica conclusa et comprehensa sint, perinde dicemus. superior fuit oratio necessaria, haec erit voluntaria, illa ad iudicem, haec ad C. Pisonem, illa pro reo, haec pro Roscio, illa victoriae, haec bonae existimationis causa comparata.

[¶14] 16. You demand, O Fannius, a sum of money from Roscius. What sum? Is it money which is owed to you from the partnership? or money which has been promised and assured to you by his liberality? One demand is important and odious, the other is more trifling and easy to be got rid of. Is it a sum which is owing from the partnership? What are you saying? This is neither to be borne lightly nor to be defended carelessly. For if there are any private actions of the greatest, I may almost say, of capital importance, they are these three—the actions about trust, about guardianship, and about partnership. For it is equally perfidious and wicked to break faith, which is the bond of life, and to defraud one's ward who has come under one's guardianship, and to deceive a partner who has connected himself with on. in business.

> Latin: 16. petis, Fanni, a Roscio.? dic audacter et aperte. Vtrum ⟨quae⟩ tibi ex societate debeatur, an quae ex liberalitate huius promissa sit et ostentata? alterum est gravius et odiosius, alterum levius et facilius. ex societate debeatur? ais? iam neque leviter ferendum est neque neglegenter defendendum. qua enim sunt privata iudicia summae existimationis et paene dicam capitis, tria haec sunt, fiduciae, tutelae, societatis. enim perfidiosum et nefarium est fidem frangere quae continet vitam, et pupillum fraudare qui in tutelam pervenit, et socium fallere qui se in negotio coniunxit. cum ita sint, quis sit qui socium fraudarit et fefellerit consideremus;

[¶15] 17. And as this is the case, let us consider who. it is who in this instance has deceived and cheated his partner. For his past life shall silently give us a trustworthy and important testimony one way or other. Is it Quintus Roscius? What do you say? Does not, as fire dropped upon water is immediately extinguished and cooled, so, does not, I say, a false accusation, when brought in contact with a most pure and holy life, instantly fall and become extinguished? Has Roscius cheated his partner? Can this guilt belong to this man? who, in truth, (I say it boldly,) has more honesty than skill, more truth than learning; whom the Roman people think even a better man than he is an actor; who is as worthy of the stage because of his skill, as he is wholly of the senate on account of his moderation.

> Latin: 17. dabit enim nobis iam tacite vita acta in alterutram partem firmum et grave testimonium. Q. Roscius? ais? nonne, ut ignis in aquam coniectus continuo restinguitur et refrigeratur, sic refervens falsum crimen in purissimam et castissimam vitam conlatum statim concidit et exstinguitur? Roscius socium fraudavit! hoc homini huic haerere peccatum? qui me dius fidius—audacter dico—plus fidei quam artis, plus veritatis quam disciplinae possidet in se, quem populus Romanus meliorem virum quam histrionem esse arbitratur, qui ita dignissimus est scaena propter artificium ut dignissimus sit curia propter abstinentiam.

[¶16] 18. But why am I so foolish as to say anything about Roscius to Piso? I suppose I am recommending an unknown man in many words. Is there any man in the whole world of whom you have a better opinion? Is there any man who appears to you more pure, more modest, more humane, more regardful of his duty, more liberal? Have even you, O Saturius, who appear against him, have you a different opinion? Is it not true that as often as you have mentioned his name in the cause, you have said that he was a good man, and have spoken of him with expressions of respect? which no one is in the habit of doing except in the case of either a most honorable man, or of a most dear friend.

> Latin: 18. quid ego ineptus de Roscio apud Pisonem dico? hominem scilicet pluribus verbis commendo. quisquam omnium mortalium de quo melius existimes tu? estne quisquam qui tibi purior, pudentior, humanior, officiosior liberaliorque videatur?? tu, Saturi, qui contra hunc venis, existimas aliter? nonne, quotienscumque in causa in nomen huius incidisti, totiens hunc et virum bonum esse dixisti et honoris causa appellasti? quod nemo nisi aut honestissimo aut amicissimo facere consuevit.

[¶17] 19. While doing so, in truth, you appeared to me ridiculously inconstant in both injuring and praising the same man; in calling him at the same time a most excellent man and a most dishonest man. You were speaking of the man with respect, and calling him a most exemplary man, and at the same time you were accusing him of having cheated his partner. But I imagine the truth is, your praise was prompted by truth; the accusation by your duty to your client. You were speaking of Roscius as you really thought; you were conducting the cause according to the will of Chaerea. Roscius cheated him. This, in truth, seems absurd to the ears and minds of men. What? If he had got hold of some man, rich, timid, foolish and indolent, who was unable to go to law with him, still it would Be incredible.

> Latin: 19. in re mihi ridicule es visus esse inconstans qui eundem et laederes et laudares, et virum optimum et hominem improbissimum esse diceres. tu et honoris causa appellabas et virum primarium esse dicebas et socium fraudasse arguebas?, ut opinor, laudem veritati tribuebas, crimen gratiae concedebas; de hoc, ut existimabas, praedicabas, Chaereae arbitratu causam agebas. Roscius! hoc quidem auribus animisque omnium absurdum. si tandem aliquem timidum, dementem, divitem, inertem nactus esset qui experiri non posset?

[¶18] 20. But let us see whom he has cheated. Roscius has cheated Caius Fannius Chaerea. I beg and entreat you, who know them both, compare the lives of the two men together; you who do not know them, compare the countenance of both. Does not his very head, and those eye-brows entirely shaved off, seem to smell of wickedness, and to proclaim cunning? Does he not from his toe-nails to his head, if the voiceless figure of a man's person can enable men to conjecture his character, seem wholly made up of fraud, and cheating, and lies? He who has his head and eyebrows always shaved that he may not be said to have one hair of an honest man about him. And Roscius has been accustomed to represent his figure admirably on the stage, and yet he does no meet with the gratitude due to such kindness. For when he acts Ballio, that most worthless and perjured pimp, he represents Chaerea. That foul, and impure, and detestable character is represented in this man's manners, and nature, and life. And why he should have thought Roscius like himself in dishonesty and wickedness, I do not know; unless, perhaps, because he observed that he imitated himself admirably in the character of the pimp.

> Latin: 20. incredibile esset. tamen quem fraudarit videamus. C. Fannium Chaeream Roscius fraudavit! atque obsecro vos qui nostis, vitam inter se utriusque conferte, qui non nostis, faciem utriusque considerate. ipsum caput et supercilia illa penitus abrasa olere malitiam et clamitare calliditatem videntur? non ab imis unguibus usque ad verticem summum, si quam coniecturam adfert hominibus tacita corporis figura, ex fraude, fallaciis, mendaciis constare totus videtur? qui idcirco capite et superciliis semper est rasis ne ullum pilum viri boni habere dicatur; cuius personam praeclare Roscius in scaena tractare consuevit, neque tamen pro beneficio ei par gratia refertur. Ballionem illum improbissimum et periurissimum lenonem cum agit, agit Chaeream; persona illa lutulenta, impura, invisa in huius moribus, natura vitaque est expressa. quam ob rem Roscium similem sui in fraude et malitia existimarit, mihi ⟨vix⟩ videtur, nisi forte quod praeclare hunc imitari se in persona lenonis animadvertit.

[¶19] 21. Wherefore consider over and over again, O Caius Piso, who is said to have cheated, and who to have been cheated. Roscius is said to have cheated Fannius? What is that? The honest man is said to have cheated the rogue; the modest man, the shameless one; the chaste man, the perjurer; the unpractised man, the cunning one; the liberal man is said to have cheated the covetous one. It is incredible how, if Fannius were said to have cheated Roscius, each fact would appear probable from the character of each man; both that Fannius had acted wickedly, and that Roscius had been cheated by his imprudence. So when Roscius is accused of having cheated Fannius, both parts of the story are incredible, both that Roscius should have sought anything covetously, and that Fannius should have lost anything by his good-nature.

> Latin: 21. ob rem etiam atque etiam considera, C. Piso, quis quem fraudasse dicatur. Roscius Fannium! est hoc? probus improbum, pudens impudentem, periurum castus, callidum imperitus, liberalis avidum? est. ad modum, si Fannius Roscium fraudasse diceretur, utrumque ex utriusque persona veri simile videretur, et Fannium per malitiam fecisse et Roscium per imprudentiam deceptum esse, sic, cum Roscius Fannium fraudasse arguatur, utrumque incredibile est, et Roscium quicquam per avaritiam appetisse et Fannium quicquam per bonitatem amisisse.

[¶20] 22. Such is the beginning. Let us see what follows. Quintus Roscius has cheated Fannius of 50,000 sesterces. On what account? Saturius smiles; a cunning fellow, as he seems to himself. He says, for the sake of the fifty thousand sesterces. I see; but yet I ask why he was so exceedingly desirous of this particular fifty thousand sesterces? For certainly, O Marcus Perperna and Caius Piso, they would not have been of such consequence to either of you, as to make you cheat your partner. I ask, then, why they were of such consequence to Roscius! Was he in want of money? No, he was even a rich man. Was he in debt? On the contrary, he was living within his income. Was he avaricious? far from it; even before he was a rich man he was always most liberal and munificent.

> Latin: 22. sunt huius modi; spectemus reliqua. HS iↄↄↄ Q. Roscius fraudavit Fannium. de causa? Saturius, veterator, ut sibi videtur; ait propter ipsa HS iↄↄↄ.; sed tamen cur ipsa HS iↄↄↄ tam vehementer concupierit quaero; nam tibi, M. Perpenna, ⟨tibi⟩ C. Piso, certe tanti non fuissent ut socium fraudaretis. Roscio cur tanti fuerint causam requiro.? locuples erat.? in suis nummis versabatur. erat? etiam ante quam locuples ⟨esset⟩, semper liberalissimus munificentissimusque fuit.

[¶21] 23. Oh, in the name of good faith, of gods, and men! he who once refused to make a gain of three hundred thousand sesterces—for he certainly both could and would have earned three hundred thousand sesterces if Dionysia can earn two hundred thousand,—did he seek to acquire fifty thousand by the greatest dishonesty, and wickedness and treachery? And that sum was immense, this trifling; that was honourable, this sordid; that was pleasant, this bitter; that would have been his own, this must have been stated on an action and a trial. In these last ten years he might have earned six millions of sesterces most honourably. He would not; he undertook the labour entitled to gain, but refused the gain of his labour. He did not yet desist from serving the Roman people; he has long since ceased to benefit himself.

> Latin: 23. deum hominumque fidem! qui HS iↄↄↄ ccciↄↄↄ quaestus facere noluit —nam certe HS iↄↄↄ ccciↄↄↄ merere et potuit et debuit, si potest Dionysia HS ccciↄↄↄ ccciↄↄↄ merere—is per summam fraudem et malitiam et perfidiam HS iↄↄↄ appetiit? illa fuit pecunia immanis, haec parvola, illa honesta, haec sordida, illa iucunda, haec acerba, illa propria, haec in causa et in iudicio conlocata. his annis proximis HS sexagiens honestissime consequi potuit; noluit. quaestus recepit, quaestum laboris reiecit; populo Romano adhuc servire non destitit, sibi servire iam pridem destitit.

[¶22] 24. Would you even do this, O Fannius? And if you were able to receive such profits, would you not act with all your gestures, and even at the risk of your life? Say now that you have been cheated of fifty thousand sesterces by Roscius, who has refused such enormous sums, not because he was too indolent to labour for them, but out of a magnificence of liberality. What now shall I say of these things which I know to a certainty occur to your minds, O judges? Roscius cheated you in a partnership. There are laws, there are formularies established for every case, that no one may make a blunder, either as to the legal description of injury which he has suffered, or as to the sort of action he should bring; for public formulae have been given by the praetor to suit every evil, or vexation, or inconvenience, or calamity, or injury which any one can suffer and to them each private action is adapted.

> Latin: 24. tu umquam, Fanni, faceres? et si hos quaestus recipere posses, non eodem tempore et gestum et animam ageres? nunc te ab Roscio HS iↄↄↄ circumscriptum esse, qui tantas et tam infinitas pecunias non propter inertiam laboris sed propter magnificentiam liberalitatis repudiarit! ego nunc illa dicam quae vobis in mentem venire certo scio? te in societate Roscius! iura, sunt formulae de omnibus rebus constitutae, ne quis aut in genere iniuriae aut ⟨in⟩ ratione actionis errare possit. sunt enim ex unius cuiusque damno, dolore, incommodo, calamitate, iniuria publicae a praetore formulae, ad quas privata lis accommodatur.

[¶23] 25. And as this is the case, I ask why you have not Roscius as your partner before an arbitrator? Did you not know the formula? It was most notorious. Were you unwilling to adopt severe proceedings? Why so? On account of your ancient intimacy? Why then do you injure him now? On account of the integrity of the man? Why then do you accuse him now? On account of the magnitude of the crime? Is it so? The man whom you could not circumvent before an arbitrator, to whose decision such a matter properly belonged, will you seek to convict before a judge, who has no power of arbitrating in it? Either, then, bring this charge where it may be discussed, or do not bring it where it may not: although the charge is already done away with by your own evidence; for when you declined to adopt that formula, you showed that he had committed no fraud against the partnership. Oh, he made a covenant. Has he account-books, or not? If he has not, how is the covenant shown? If he has, why do you not tell us?

> Latin: 25. cum ita sint, cur non arbitrum pro socio adegeris Q. Roscium quaero. non noras? erat. gravi experiri nolebas? ita? propter familiaritatem veterem? ergo laedis? integritatem hominis? igitur insimulas? magnitudinem criminis? vero? quem per arbitrum circumvenire non posses, cuius de ea re proprium non erat iudicium, hunc per iudicem condemnabis, cuius de ⟨ea⟩ re nullum est arbitrium? tu hoc crimen aut obice ubi licet agere, aut iacere noli ubi non oportet. iam hoc tuo testimonio crimen sublatum est. quo tu tempore illa formula uti noluisti, nihil hunc in societatem fraudis fecisse indicasti. enim, tabulas habes an non? non habes, quem ad modum pactio est?

[¶24] 26. Say now, if you dare, that Roscius begged of you to appoint his own intimate friend arbitrator. He did not beg you to. Say that he made a covenant in order to procure his acquittal. He made no covenant. Ask why then he was acquitted? Because he was a man of the most perfect innocence and integrity. For what happened? You came of your own accord to the house of Roscius; you apologised to him; you begged him to announce to the judge that you had acted hastily, and to pardon you; you said that you would not appear against him; you said loudly that he owed you nothing on account of the partnership. He gave notice to the judge; he was acquitted. And still do you dare to mention dishonesty and theft? He persists in his impudence. I did all this, says he, for he had made a covenant with me. Yes, I suppose to procure his acquittal. What reason had he to fear that he would be condemned?

> Latin: 26. si habes, cur non nominas? nunc Roscium abs te petisse ut familiarem suum sumeres arbitrum! petiit. pactionem fecisse ut absolveretur! pepigit. qua re sit absolutus! erat summa innocentia et integritate. enim factum est? domum ultro Rosci, satis fecisti; quod temere commisisti, in iudicium ut denuntiares, rogasti ut ignosceret; te adfuturum negasti, debere tibi ex societate nihil clamitasti. hic denuntiavit; absolutus est. fraudis ac furti mentionem facere audes? in impudentia. “enim,” inquit, “mecum fecerat.” videlicet ne condemnaretur. erat causae cur metueret ne condemnaretur?— erat manifesta, furtum erat apertum.

[¶25] 27. Oh, the matter was evident, the theft was undeniable. A theft of what? He begins, in a manner to create great expectations, to relate his partnership with the old actor. Panurgus, says he, was a slave of Fannius. He had an equal share in him with Roscius. Here in the first place Saturius began to complain bitterly that Roscius had had a in him given to him for nothing, when he had become the property of Fannius by purchase. That liberal man, forsooth, that extravagant man, that man overflowing with kindness, made a present of his share to Roscius? No doubt of it.

> Latin: 27. rei furtum factum erat? magna cum exspectatione veteris histrionis exponere societatem. “Panurgus,” inquit, “fuit Fanni; is fit ei cum Roscio communis.” primum questus est non leviter Saturius communem factum esse gratis cum Roscio, qui pretio proprius fuisset Fanni. est scilicet homo liberalis et dissolutus et bonitate adfluens Fannius Roscio. puto.

[¶26] 28. Since he rested on this point for a while, it is necessary for me also to dwell a little on it. You say, O Saturius, that Panurgus was the private property of Fannius. But I say that the whole of him belonged to Roscius, for how much of him belonged to Fannius? His body. How much to Roscius? His education. His person was of no value; his skill was valuable. As far as he belonged to Fannius, he was not worth fifty thousand sesterces; as far as he belonged to Roscius, he was worth more than a hundred thousand. For no one looked at him because of his person; but people estimated him by his skill as a comic actor. For those limbs could not earn by themselves more than twelve sesterces; owing to the education which was given him by Roscius, he let himself out for not less than a hundred thousand.

> Latin: 28. ille hic constitit paulisper, mihi quoque necesse est paulum commorari. Panurgum tu, Saturi, proprium Fanni dicis fuisse. ego totum Rosci fuisse contendo. erat enim Fanni?. Rosci?. non erat, ars erat pretiosa. qua parte erat Fanni, non erat HS ∞, ex qua parte erat Rosci, amplius erat HS ccciↄↄↄ iↄↄↄ; nemo enim illum ex trunco corporis spectabat sed ex artificio comico aestimabat; nam illa membra merere per se non amplius poterant duodecim aeris, disciplina quae erat ab hoc tradita locabat se non minus HS ccciↄↄↄ iↄↄↄ.

[¶27] 29. Oh, tricky and scandalous partnership, when the one brings what is worth fifty thousand sesterces into the partnership, the other what is worth a hundred thousand; unless you are indignant at this, that you took the fifty thousand out of your strong box, and Roscius got his hundred thousand out of his learning and skill. For what was it that Panurgus brought with him on the stage? What was the expectation formed of him why was there such zeal for him, such partiality to him? Because he was the pupil of Roscius. They who loved the one, favoured the other; they who admired the one, approved of the other; lastly, all who had heard the name of the one, thought the other well-trained and accomplished. And this is the way with the common people; they estimate few things by the real truth, many things by prejudice.

> Latin: 29. O societatem captiosam et indignam, ubi alter HS ∞, alter ccciↄↄↄ iↄↄↄ quod sit in societatem adfert! nisi idcirco moleste pateris quod HS ∞ tu ex arca proferebas, HS ccciↄↄↄ iↄↄↄ ex disciplina et artificio promebat ⟨Roscius⟩. enim spem et exspectationem, quod studium et quem favorem secum in scaenam attulit Panurgus, quod Rosci fuit discipulus! diligebant hunc, illi favebant, qui admirabantur hunc, illum probabant, qui denique huius nomen audierant, illum eruditum et perfectum existimabant. est volgus; ex veritate pauca, ex opinione multa aestimat.

## 2. Sections 30–56

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[¶0] 30. Very few observed what he knew, but every one asked where he had been taught; they thought that nothing poor or had could be produced by him. If he had come from Statilius, even if he had surpassed Roscius in skill, no one would have been able to see it. For just as no one supposes that a good son can be born to a worthless father, so no one would suppose that a good Comedian could be formed by a very bad actor; but because he came from Roscius, he appeared to know more than he really did know. And this lately did actually happen in the case of Eros the comedian, for he, after he was driven off the stage, not merely by hisses, but even by reproaches, took refuge, as at an altar, in the house, and instruction, and patronage, and name of Roscius. Therefore, in a very short time he who had not been even one of the lowest class of actors, came to be reckoned among the very first comedians.

> Latin: 30. sciret ille perpauci animadvertebant, ubi didicisset omnes quaerebant; nihil ab hoc pravum et perversum produci posse arbitrabantur. veniret ab Statilio, tametsi artificio Roscium superaret, aspicere nemo posset; nemo enim, sicut ex improbo patre probum filium nasci, sic a pessimo histrione bonum comoedum fieri posse existimaret. veniebat a Roscio, plus etiam scire quam sciebat videbatur. item nuper in Erote comoedo usu venit; qui postea quam e scaena non modo sibilis sed etiam convicio explodebatur, sicut in aram confugit in huius domum, disciplinam, patrocinium, nomen: itaque perbrevi tempore qui ne in novissimis quidem erat histrionibus ad primos pervenit comoedos.

[¶1] 31. What was it that raised him? This man's commendation alone who not only took this Panurgus home that he might have the name of a pupil of Roscius, but who also instructed him with the greatest pains and energy and patience. For the more skillful and ingenious any one is, the more vehement and laborious is he in teaching his art; for that which he himself caught quickly, he is tortured by seeing slowly comprehended by another. My speech has extended itself to some length, in order that you may thoroughly understand the conditions of this partnership.

> Latin: 31. res extulit eum? Vna commendatio huius; qui tamen Panurgum illum, non solum ut Rosci discipulus fuisse diceretur domum recepit, sed etiam summo cum labore, stomacho miseriaque erudivit. quo quisque est sollertior et ingeniosior, hoc docet iracundius et laboriosius; quod enim ipse celeriter arripuit, id cum tarde percipi videt, discruciatur. Paulo longius oratio mea provecta est hac de causa ut condicionem societatis diligenter cognosceretis.

[¶2] 32. What then followed? A man of Tarquinii, Quintus Flavius by name, knew this Panurgus, the common slave of Roscius and Fannius, and you appointed me as the advocate to conduct the action about that business. The cause having been commenced, and an action being appointed according to the formula, “for injury and loss inflicted,” you brought it to a conclusion with Flavius, without my knowledge. Was it for the half share, or for the entire partnership? I will speak plainly. Was it for myself, or for myself and for yourself? Was it for myself alone? I could do so according to the precedent set by many people; it is lawful to do so; many men have legally done so; I have done you no injury in that matter. Do you demand what is due to you? Exact it, and carry it off. Let every one have and follow up his portion of his right. “But you managed your affair very well.” “Do you too manage yours well” “You get your half share valued at a high price.” “Do you too get yours valued at a high price.” “You get a hundred thousand sesterces,”—if indeed that be true. “Then do you also get a hundred thousand sesterces.”

> Latin: 32. deinde sunt consecuta? “Panurgum,” inquit, “hunc servum communem, Q. Flavius Tarquiniensis quidam interfecit. hanc rem,” inquit, “me cognitorem dedisti. contestata, iudicio damni iniuria constituto tu sine me cum Flavio decidisti.” Vtrum pro dimidia parte an pro ⟨re⟩ tota? planius dicam: utrum pro me an et pro me et pro te? me; potui exemplo multorum; licitum est; iure fecerunt multi; nihil in ea re tibi iniuriae feci. tu tuum, exige et aufer quod debetur; suam quisque partem iuris possideat et persequatur.—“enim tu tuum negotium gessisti bene.”— et tu tuum bene.—“Magno ⟨tu⟩ tuam dimidiam partem decidisti.”—Magno et tu tuam partem decide. —“HS Q. tu abstulisti.”— ita hoc, vero HS Q. tu aufer.

[¶3] 33. But you may easily, both in belief and in speaking of it, have exaggerated the terms on which Roscius concluded his business; in fact and reality you will find them moderate and unimportant. For he got a farm at a time when the prices of farms were very low,—a farm which had not a house on it, and was not well cultivated in any respect, which is worth much more now than it was. And no wonder, for at that time, on account of the calamities of the republic, every one's possessions were uncertain; now, by the kindness of the immortal gods, the fortunes of every one are well assured: then it was an uncultivated farm, without a house; now it is beautifully cultivated, with an excellent villa on it.

> Latin: 33. hanc decisionem Rosci oratione et opinione augere licet, re et veritate mediocrem et tenuem esse invenietis. enim agrum temporibus eis cum iacerent pretia praediorum; qui ager neque villam habuit neque ex ulla parte fuit cultus; qui nunc multo pluris est quam tunc fuit. id est mirum. enim propter rei publicae calamitates omnium possessiones erant incertae, nunc deum immortalium benignitate omnium fortunae sunt certae; tum erat ager incultus sine tecto, nunc est cultissimus cum optima villa.

[¶4] 34. But since by nature you are so malevolent, I will never relieve you from that vexation and that anxiety. Roscius managed his business well; he got a most fertile farm. What is that to you? Do you settle your half of the matter anyhow you please. He then changes his plan of attack, and endeavours to invent a story which he cannot prove. “You,” says he, “arranged the whole matter, and not your share of it only.” The whole cause then is brought to this point,—whether Roscius came to a settlement with Flavius for his own share, or for the whole partnership.

> Latin: 34. tamen, quoniam natura tam malivolus es, numquam ista te molestia et cura liberabo. suum negotium gessit Roscius, fundum fructuosissimum abstulit; quid ad te? partem dimidiam, quem ad modum vis, decide. hic rationem et id quod probare non potest fingere conatur. “tota re,” inquit, “decidisti.” huc universa causa deducitur, utrum Roscius cum Flavio de sua parte an de tota societate fecerit pactionem. ego Roscium, si quid communi nomine tetigit, confiteor praestare debere societati.—, non suas litis redemit, cum fundum a Flavio accepit.— ita satis non dedit amplius assem neminem petiturum?

[¶5] 35. For I confess that, if Roscius touched anything on their joint account, he ought to pay it to the partnership. Did he settle the quarrel of the partnership, and not merely his own, when he received this farm from Flavius? If so, why did he not give security to Flavius, that no one else should make any demand on him? He who settles his own demand only, leaves to the rest their right of action unimpaired; he who acts for his partners, gives security that none of them shall afterwards make any demand. Why did it not occur to Flavius to take this precaution for himself? Was he, forsooth, not aware that Panurgus belonged to a partnership. He knew that. Was he not aware that Fannius was Roscius' partner? Thoroughly; for he himself had a law-suit commenced with him.

> Latin: 35. de sua parte decidit, reliquis integram relinquit actionem, qui pro sociis transigit, satis dat neminem eorum postea petiturum. ita Flavio sibi cavere non venit in mentem? nesciebat videlicet Panurgum fuisse in societate.. Fannium Roscio esse socium.—; nam iste cum eo litem contestatam habebat.

[¶6] 36. Why then does he settle this action, and not exact an agreement that no one shall make any further demand on him? Why does he lose the farm, and yet get no release from this action? Why does he act in so inexperienced a manner, as neither to bind Roscius by any stipulation, nor on the other hand to get a release from Fannius' action?

> Latin: 36. igitur decidit et non restipulatur neminem amplius petiturum? cur de fundo decedit et iudicio non absolvitur? cur tam imperite facit ut nec Roscium stipulatione adliget neque a Fannio iudicio se absolvat?

[¶7] 37. This first argument, drawn both from the rules of civil rights, and from the customs prevailing with respect to such security, is a most important and powerful one, which I would press at greater length, if I had not other more undeniable and manifest proofs in the cause. And that you may not say I have promised this on insufficient grounds, I will call you—you, I say, Fannius—from your seat as a witness against yourself.—What is your charge? That Roscius settled with Flavius on behalf of the partnership.—When? Four years ago.—What is my defence? That Roscius settled with Flavius for his share in the property. You yourself, three years ago, made a new engagement with Roscius.—What? Recite that stipulation plainly.—Attend, I beg you, O Piso—I am compelling Fannius against his will, and though he is shuffling off in every direction, to give evidence against himself. For what are the words of this new agreement? “Whatever I receive from Flavius, I undertake to pay one half of to Roscius.” These are your words, O Fannius.

> Latin: 37. hoc primum et ex condicione iuris et ex consuetudine cautionis firmissimum et gravissimum argumentum, quod ego pluribus verbis amplecterer, si non alia certiora et clariora testimonia in causa haberem. ne forte me hoc frustra pollicitum esse praedices, te, te inquam, Fanni, ab tuis subselliis contra te testem suscitabo. tua quae est? Roscium cum Flavio pro societate decidisse. tempore? annis xv. mea quae est? Roscium pro sua parte cum Flavio transegisse. tu abhinc triennium Roscio.? recita istam restipulationem clarius., quaeso, Piso; Fannium invitum et huc atque illuc tergiversantem testimonium contra se cogo dicere. enim restipulatio clamat? qvod a flavio abstvlero, partem dimidiam inde roscio me solvtvrvm spondeo. vox est, Fanni.

[¶8] 38. What can you get from Flavius, if Flavius owes you nothing? Moreover, why does he now enter into a mutual engagement about a sum which he has already exacted some time ago? But what can Flavius be going to give you, if he has already paid Roscius everything that he owed? Why is this new mutual arrangement interposed in so old an affair, in a matter so entirely settled, in a partnership which has been dissolved? Who is the drawer up of this agreement? who is the witness? who is the arbitrator? who? You, O Piso: for you begged Quintus Roscius to give Fannius fifteen thousand sesterces, for his care, for his labour, for having been his agent, and for having given security, on this condition, that, if he get anything from Flavius, he should give half of that sum to Roscius. Does not that agreement seem to show you with sufficient clearness that Roscius settled the affair on his own behalf alone?

> Latin: 38. tu auferre potes a Flavio, si Flavius nihil debet? quid hic porro nunc restipulatur quod iam pridem ipse exegit? quod vero Flavius tibi daturus est, qui Roscio omne quod debuit dissolvit? in re tam vetere, in negotio iam confecto, in societate dissoluta nova haec restipulatio interponitur? quis est huius restipulationis scriptor, testis arbiterque?, Piso; tu enim Q. Roscium pro opera ⟨ac⟩ labore, quod cognitor fuisset, quod vadimonia obisset, rogasti ut Fannio daret HS ccciↄↄↄ hac condicione ut, si quid ille exegisset a Flavio, partem eius dimidiam Roscio dissolveret. ipsa restipulatio dicere tibi videtur aperte Roscium pro se decidisse?

[¶9] 39. But perhaps this also may occur to you, that Fannius did in requital promise Roscius half of whatever he might get from Flavius, but that be got nothing at all. What has that to do with it? You ought to regard not the result of the demand, but the beginning of the mutual agreement. And it does not follow, if he did not choose to prosecute his demand, that he did not for all that, as far as it depended on him, show his opinion that Roscius had only settled his own claim, and not the claim of the partnership. What more? Suppose I make it evident, that after the whole settlement come to by Roscius, after this fresh mutual agreement entered into by Fannius, Fannius also recovered a hundred thousand sesterces from Flavius, for the loss of Panurgus? Will he after that still dare to sport with the character of that most excellent man, Quintus Roscius?

> Latin: 39. enim forsitan hoc tibi veniat in mentem, repromisisse Fannium Roscio, si quid a Flavio exegisset, eius partem dimidiam, sed omnino exegisse nihil. tum? exitum exactionis, sed initium repromissionis spectare debes., si ille id exsequendum ⟨non iudicavit⟩, non, quod in se fuit, iudicavit Roscium suas, non societatis litis redemisse. si tandem planum facio post decisionem veterem Rosci, post repromissionem recentem hanc Fanni HS ccciↄↄↄ Fannium a. Q. Flavio Panurgi nomine abstulisse? tamen diutius inludere viri optimi existimationi, Q. Rosci, audebit?

[¶10] 40. I asked a little before—what was very material to the business, on what account Flavius, when (as they say) he was settling the whole claim, did neither take security from Roscius, nor obtain a release from all demands from Fannius? But now I ask how it was that, when he had settled the whole affair with Roscius, he paid also a hundred thousand sesterces to Fannius on his separate account? (a thing still more strange and incredible.) I should like to know, O Saturius, what answer are you preparing to give to this? Whether you are going to say that Fannius never got a hundred thousand sesterces from Flavius at all, or that he got them for some other claim, and on some other account?

> Latin: 40. Paulo ante quaerebam, id quod vehementer ad rem pertinebat, qua de causa Flavius, cum de tota lite faceret pactionem, neque satis acciperet a Roscio neque iudicio absolveretur a Fannio; nunc vero, id quod mirum et incredibile est, requiro: ob rem, cum de tota re decidisset cum Roscio, HS ccciↄↄↄ separatim Fannio dissolvit? loco, Saturi, quid pares respondere scire cupio; utrum omnino Fannium ⟨a⟩ Flavio HS ccciↄↄↄ non abstulisse an alio nomine et alia de causa abstulisse.

[¶11] 41. If you say it was on some other account, what dealings had you ever had with him? None. Had you obtained any verdict against him? No. I am wasting time to no purpose. He never, he says, got a hundred thousand sesterces from Flavius at all, neither on account of Panurgus, nor of any one else. If I prove that, after this recent agreement with Roscius, you did get a hundred thousand sesterces from Flavius, what have you to allege why you should not leave the court defeated with disgrace? By what witness then shall I make this plain?

> Latin: 41. alia de causa, quae ratio tibi cum eo intercesserat?. erat tibi?. tempus contero. “,” inquit, “HS ccciↄↄↄ a Flavio non abstulit neque Panurgi nomine neque cuiusquam.” planum facio post hanc recentem stipulationem Rosci HS ccciↄↄↄ a Flavio te abstulisse, numquid causae est quin ab iudicio abeas turpissime victus? teste igitur hoc planum faciam?

[¶12] 42. This affair, as I imagine, came to trial. Certainly. Who was the plaintiff? Fannius. Who the defendant? Flavius. Who was the judge? Cluvius. Of all these men I must produce one as witness who can say that the money was paid. Who of these is the most authoritative witness? Beyond all controversy, he who was approved of as judge by the sentence of every one. Which of the three then will you look to me for as a witness? The plaintiff? That is Fannius; he will never give evidence against himself. The defendant? That is Flavius. He has been dead some time. The judge? That is Cluvius. What does he say? That Flavius did pay a hundred thousand sesterces to Fannius on account of Panurgus. And if you look at the rank of Cluvius, he is a Roman knight; if at his life, he is a most illustrious man; if at your own opinion of him, you chose him as judge; if to his truth, he has said what he both could know, and ought to know.

> Latin: 42. , ut opinor, haec res in iudicium.. erat petitor? Fannius. reus? Flavius. iudex? Cluvius. his unus mihi testis est producendus qui pecuniam datam dicat. est ex his gravissimus? Sine controversia qui omnium iudicio comprobatus est iudex. igitur ex his tribus a me testem exspectabis? petitorem? Fannius est; contra se numquam testimonium dicet.? Flavius est. iam pridem est mortuus; si viveret, verba eius audiretis.? Cluvius est. is dicit? HS ccciↄↄↄ Panurgi nomine Flavium Fannio dissolvisse. tu si ex censu spectas, eques Romanus est, si ex vita, homo clarissimus est, si ex fide, iudicem sumpsisti, si ex veritate, id quod scire potuit et debuit dixit.

[¶13] 43. Deny now, deny, if you can, that credit ought to be given to a Roman knight, to an honest man, to your own judge. He looks round; he fumes; he denies that we are going to recite the testimony of Cluvius. We will recite it; you are mistaken, you are consoling yourself with a slight and empty hope. Recite the testimony of Titus Manilius and Caius Luscius Ocrea, two senators, most accomplished men, who heard it from Cluvius. (The secretary reads the evidence of Manilius and Luscius.) What do you say now—that we are not to believe Luscius and Manilius, or that we are not to believe Cluvius? I will speak more plainly and openly. Did Luscius and Manilius hear nothing from Cluvius about the hundred thousand sesterces? or did Cluvius say what was false to Luscius and Manilius? On this point I am of a calm and easy mind, and I am not particularly anxious as to which way you answer. For the cause of Roscius is fortified by the strongest and most solemn evidence of most excellent men. If you have taken time enough to consider to which you will refuse belief on their oath, answer me.

> Latin: 43. , nega nunc equiti Romano, homini honesto, iudici tuo credi oportere!, aestuat, negat nos Cluvi testimonium recitaturos..; inani et tenui spe te consolaris. testimonium T. Manili et C. Lusci Ocreae, duorum senatorum, hominum ornatissimorum qui ex Cluvio audierunt. ⟨T. Manili et C. Lvsci Ocreae. ⟩ Vtrum dicis Luscio et Manilio, an etiam Cluvio non esse credendum? atque apertius dicam. Vtrum Luscius et Manilius nihil de HS ccciↄↄↄ ex Cluvio audierunt, an Cluvius falsum Luscio et Manilio dixit? ego loco soluto et quieto sum animo et quorsom recidat responsum tuum non magno opere laboro; firmissimis enim et sanctissimis testimoniis virorum optimorum causa Rosci communita est.

[¶14] 44. Do you say that one must not believe Manilius and Luscius? Say it. Dare to say it. Such a saying suits your obstinacy, your arrogance, your whole life. What! Are you waiting till I say presently of Luscius and Manilius that they are as to rank senators; as to age, old; as to their nature, pious and religious; as to their property, rich and wealthy I will not do so; I will not, on pretence of giving these men the credit due to a life passed with the greatest strictness, put myself in so bad a light as to venture to panegyrize men so much older and nobler than myself, whose characters stand in no need of my praise. My youth is in more need of their favourable opinion than their strict old age is of my commendation. But you, O Piso, must deliberate and consider for a long time whether you will rather believe Chaerea, though not on his oath, and in his own cause, or Manilius and Luscius on their oaths, in a cause in which they have no interest.

> Latin: 44. iam tibi deliberatum est quibus abroges fidem iuris iurandi, responde. Manilio et Luscio negas esse credendum?, aude; est tuae contumaciae, adrogantiae vitaeque universae vox. exspectas quam mox ego Luscium et Manilium dicam ordine esse senatores, aetate grandis natu, natura sanctos et religiosos, copiis rei familiaris locupletis et pecuniosos? faciam; nihil mihi detraham, cum illis exactae aetatis severissime fructum quem meruerunt retribuam. mea adulescentia indiget illorum bona existimatione quam illorum severissima senectus desiderat meam laudem.

[¶15] 45. The remaining alternative is for him to contend that Cluvius told a falsehood to Luscius and Manilius. And, if he does that, how great is his impudence! Will he throw discredit on that man as a witness whom he approved of as a judge? Will he say that you ought not to trust that man whom he has trusted himself? Will he disparage the credit of that man as a witness to the judge, when on account of his opinion of his good faith and scrupulousness as a judge, he brought witnesses before him? When I produce that man as a witness, will he dare to find fault with him, when if I were to bring him as a judge even, he would be bound not to decline him? Oh, but says he, he was not on his oath when he said that to Luscius and Manilius. Would you believe him, if he said it on his oath?

> Latin: 45. vero, Piso, diu deliberandum et concoquendum est utrum potius Chaereae iniurato in sua lite, an Manilio et Luscio iuratis in alieno iudicio credas. est ut Cluvium falsum dixisse Luscio et Manilio contendat. si facit, qua impudentia est, eumne testem improbabit quem iudicem probarit? ei negabit credi oportere cui ipse crediderit? eius testis ad iudicem fidem infirmabit cuius propter fidem et religionem iudicis testis compararit? quem ego si ferrem iudicem, refugere non deberet, cum testem producam, reprehendere audebit?

[¶16] 46. But what is the difference between a perjurer and a liar? He who is in the habit of lying, is in the habit of perjuring himself. The man whom I can induce to tell a lie, I shall easily be able to prevail on to take a false oath. For he who has once departed from truth, is easily led on, with no greater scruples to perjury than to a lie. For who is influenced by just a mention of the gods in the way of deprecating their anger, and not by the influence of conscience? Because the same punishment which is appointed by the immortal gods for a perjurer is appointed also for a liar. For the immortal gods are accustomed to be indignant and angry, not on account of the form of words in which an oath is contained, but on account of the treachery and malice by which a plot is laid to deceive any one.

> Latin: 46. “enim,” inquit, “iniuratus Luscio et Manilio.” diceret iuratus, crederes? quid interest inter periurum et mendacem? mentiri solet, peierare consuevit. ego ut mentiatur inducere possum, ut peieret exorare facile potero. qui semel a veritate deflexit, hic non maiore religione ad periurium quam ad mendacium perduci consuevit. enim deprecatione deorum, non conscientiae fide commovetur?, quae poena ab dis immortalibus periuro, haec eadem mendaci constituta est; non enim ex pactione verborum quibus ius iurandum comprehenditur, sed ex perfidia et malitia per quam insidiae tenduntur alicui, di immortales hominibus irasci et suscensere consuerunt.

[¶17] 47. But I, on the contrary, argue in this way. The authority of Cluvius would be less if be were speaking on his oath, than it is now when he is not speaking on his oath. For then, perhaps, he might seem to bad men over eager in being a witness in a cause in which he had been judge. But now he must appear to all his enemies most upright and most wise, inasmuch as he only tells his intimate friends what he knows.

> Latin: 47. ego hoc ex contrario contendo: levior esset auctoritas Cluvi, si diceret iuratus, quam nunc est, cum dicit iniuratus. enim forsitan improbis nimis cupidus videretur, qui qua de re iudex fuisset testis esset; nunc omnibus non iniquis necesse est castissimus et constantissimus esse videatur, qui id quod scit familiaribus suis dicit.

[¶18] 48. Say now, if you can, if the business, if the cause permits you to, that Cluvius has spoken falsely. Has Cluvius spoken falsely? Truth itself lays its hand upon me, and compels me to stop, and dwell on this point for a short time. Whence was all this lie drawn, and where was it forged? Roscius, forsooth, is a deep and crafty man. He began to think of this from the first. Since, said he to himself, Fannius claims fifty thousand sesterces from me, I will ask Caius Cluvius, a Roman knight, a most accomplished man, to tell a lie for my sake; to say that a settlement was made which was not made; that a hundred thousand sesterces were given by Flavius to Fannius, which were not given. This is the first idea of a wicked mind, of a miserable disposition, of a man of no sense. What came next?

> Latin: 48. nunc, si potes, si res, si causa patitur, Cluvium esse mentitum! est Cluvius? mihi veritas manum iniecit et paulisper consistere et commorari coegit. Vnde hoc totum ductum et conflatum mendacium est? Roscius est videlicet homo callidus et versutus. initio cogitare coepit: “quoniam Fannius a me petit HS iↄↄↄ, petam a C. Cluvio, equite ⟨Romano⟩, ornatissimo homine, ut mea causa mentiatur, dicat decisionem factam esse quae facta non est, HS ccciↄↄↄ a Flavio data esse Fannio quae data non sunt.” hoc principium improbi animi, miseri ingeni, nullius consili.

[¶19] 49. After he had thoroughly made up his mind, he came to Cluvius. What sort of a man was he? an insignificant man? No, a most influential one. A fickle man? A most consistent one. An intimate friend of his? A perfect stranger. After he had saluted him, he began to ask him, in gentle and elegant language to be sure,—“Tell a lie for my sake, tell some excellent men, your own intimate friends who are here with you, that Flavius settled with Fannius about Panurgus, though in truth he did not; tell them that he paid a hundred thousand sesterces, though in reality he did not pay a penny.” What answer did he give? “Oh, indeed, I will willingly and eagerly tell lies for your sake; and if at any time you wish me to perjure myself in order to make a little profit, know that I am quite ready; you need not have taken so much trouble as to come to me yourself; you could have arranged such a trifle as this by a messenger.”

> Latin: 49. deinde? quam se praeclare confirmavit, venit ad Cluvium. hominem? levem? gravissimum.? constantissimum.? alienissimum. postea quam salutavit, rogare coepit blande et concinne scilicet: “mentire mea causa, viris optimis, tuis familiaribus, praesentibus dic Flavium cum Fannio de Panurgo decidisse qui nihil transegit; dic HS ccciↄↄↄ dedisse qui assem nullum dedit.” ille respondit? “vero cupide et libenter mentiar tua causa, et, si quando me peierare ⟨vis⟩, ut paululum tu compendi facias, paratum fore scito; non fuit causa cur tantum laborem caperes et ad me venires; per nuntium hoc quod erat tam leve transigere potuisti.”

[¶20] 50. Oh, the faith of gods and men! Would Roscius ever have asked this of Cluvius, even if he had had a hundred millions of sesterces at stake on the issue of the trial? Or would Cluvius have granted it to Roscius at his request, even if he had been to be a sharer in the whole booty? I scarcely, by the gods, think that you, O Fannius, would dare to make this request to Ballio, or to any one like him; and that you would be able to succeed in a matter not only false, but in its nature incredible. For I say nothing about Roscius and Cluvius being excellent men. I imagine them for this occasion to be worthless.

> Latin: 50. deum hominumque fidem! hoc aut Roscius umquam a Cluvio petisset, si HS miliens in iudicium haberet, aut Cluvius Roscio petenti concessisset, si universae praedae particeps esset? vix me dius fidius tu, Fanni, a Ballione aut aliquo eius simili hoc et postulare auderes et impetrare posses. cum est veritate falsum, tum ratione quoque est incredibile; obliviscor enim Roscium et Cluvium viros esse primarios; improbos temporis causa esse fingo.

[¶21] 51. Roscius, then, suborned Cluvius as a false witness. Why did he do it so late? Why did he do so when the second payment was to be made, not when the first was? for already he had paid fifty thousand sesterce. Secondly; if Cluvius was, by this time, persuaded to tell lies, why did he say that a hundred thousand sesterces had been given to Fannius by Flavius, rather than three hundred thousand; when, according to the mutual agreement, a half-share of it belonged to Roscius. By this time you see, O Caius Piso, that Roscius had made his demand for himself alone, and had made no demand for the partnership. When Saturius perceives that this is proved, he does not dare to resist and struggle against the truth. He finds another subterfuge of dishonesty and treachery in the same track.

> Latin: 51. subornavit testem Roscius Cluvium! tam sero? cur cum altera pensio solvenda esset, non tum cum prima? nam iam antea HS iↄↄↄ dissolverat., si iam persuasum erat Cluvio ut mentiretur, cur potius HS ccciↄↄↄ quam ccciↄↄↄ ccciↄↄↄ ccciↄↄↄ data dixit Fannio ⟨a⟩ Flavio, cum ex restipulatione pars eius dimidia Rosci esset? intellegis, C. Piso, sibi soli, societati nihil Roscium petisse. quoniam sentit Saturius esse apertum, resistere et repugnare contra veritatem non audet, aliud fraudis et insidiarum in eodem vestigio deverticulum reperit.

[¶22] 52. “I admit,” says he, “that Roscius demanded his own share from Flavius; I admit that he left Fannius's right to make a similar demand entire and unimpaired; but I contend that what he got for himself became the common property of the partnership” than which nothing more tricky or more scandalous can be said. For I ask whether Roscius had the power to demand his share from the partnership, or not? If he could not, how did he get it? If he could, how was it that he did not demand it for himself? For that which is demanded for one's self, is certainly not exacted for another.

> Latin: 52. “,” inquit, “suam partem Roscium a Flavio confiteor, vacuam et integram reliquisse Fanni concedo; sed, quod sibi exegit, id commune societatis factum esse contendo.” nihil captiosius neque indignius potest dici. enim potueritne Roscius ex societate suam partem petere necne. non potuit, quem ad modum abstulit? si potuit, quem ad modum non sibi exegit? nam quod sibi petitur, certe alteri non exigitur.

[¶23] 53. Is it so? If he had made a demand of what belonged to the entire partnership, all would equally have shared what then came in. Now, when he demanded what was a part of his own share, did he not demand for himself alone what he got? What is the difference between him who goes to law for himself, and him who is assigned as agent for another? He who commences an action for himself, makes his demand for himself alone. No one can prefer a claim for another except him who is constituted his agent. Is it not so? If her had been your agent, you would get your own, because he had gained the action. But he preferred this claim in his own name; so what he got he got for himself, and not for you.

> Latin: 53. ita est: si quod universae societatis fuisset petisset, quod tum redactum esset aequaliter omnes partirentur; nunc cum petierit quod suae partis esset, non quod tum abstulit soli sibi exegit? interest inter eum qui per se litigat et eum qui cognitor est datus? per se litem contestatur, sibi soli petit, alteri nemo potest, nisi qui cognitor est factus. vero? cognitor si fuisset tuus, quod vicisset iudicio, ferres tuum; ⟨cum⟩ suo nomine petiit, quod abstulit, tibi non sibi exegit?

[¶24] 54. But if any one can make a claim on behalf of another, who is not appointed his agent, I ask why then, when Panurgus was slain, and an action was commenced against Fannius on the plea of injury sustained by the loss, you were made the agent of Roscius for that action? especially when, according to what you now say, whatever claim you made for yourself you made for him; whatever recompense you exacted for yourself, would belong to the partnership. But if nothing would have come to Roscius which you had got from Flavius, unless he had appointed you agent for his action, so nothing ought to come to you which Roscius has exacted for his share, since he was not appointed your agent.

> Latin: 54. si quisquam petere potest alteri qui cognitor non est factus, quaero, quid ita, cum Panurgus esset interfectus et lis contestata cum Flavio damni iniuria esset, tu in eam litem cognitor Rosci sis factus, cum praesertim ex tua oratione quodcumque tibi peteres huic peteres, quodcumque tibi exigeres, id in societatem recideret. si ad Roscium nihil perveniret quod tu a Flavio abstulisses, nisi te in suam litem dedisset cognitorem, ad te pervenire nihil debet quod Roscius pro sua parte exegit, quoniam tuus cognitor non est factus.

[¶25] 55. For what answer can you make to this case, O Fannius? When Roscius settled with Flavius for his own share, did he leave you your right of action, or not? If he did not leave it you, how was it that you afterwards exacted a hundred thousand sesterces from him? If he did leave it, why do you claim from him what you ought to demand and follow up yourself? For partnership is very like inheritance, and, as it were, its twin sister. As a partner has a share in a partnership, so an heir has a share in an inheritance. As an heir prefers a claim for himself alone, and not for his co-heirs, so a partner prefers a claim for himself alone, and not for his partners. And as each prefers a claim for his own share, so he makes payments for his share alone; the heir, out of the share which he has received of the inheritance the partner, out of that property with which he entered into the partnership.

> Latin: 55. enim huic rei respondere poteris, Fanni? Cum de sua parte Roscius transegit cum Flavio, actionem tibi tuam reliquit an non? non reliquit, quem ad modum HS ccciↄↄↄ ab eo postea exegisti? si reliquit, quid ab hoc petis quod per te persequi et petere debes? enim et maxime gemina societas hereditatis est; quem ad modum socius in societate habet partem, sic heres in hereditate habet partem. Vt heres sibi soli non coheredibus petit, sic socius sibi soli non sociis petit; et quem ad modum uterque pro sua parte petit, sic pro sua parte dissolvit, heres ex ea parte qua hereditatem adiit, socius ex ea qua societatem coiit.

[¶26] 56. As Roscius could have executed a release to Flavius in his own name, so as to prevent you from preferring any claim; so, as he only exacted his own share, and left you your right to prefer a claim unimpaired, he ought not to share what he got with you—unless, indeed, you, by a perversion of all justice, are able to rob him of what is his, though you are not able to extort your own rights from another. Saturius persists in his opinion, that whatever a partner claims for himself becomes the property of the partnership. But if that be true, how great (plague take it!) was the folly of Roscius, who, by the advice and influence of lawyers, made a mutual agreement with Fannius, very carefully, that he should pay him half of whatever he got from Flavius; if indeed, without any security or mutual agreement, nevertheless, Fannius owed it to the partnership; that is to say, to Roscius [The rest of this speech is lost.] …

> Latin: 56. ad modum suam partem Roscius suo nomine condonare potuit Flavio, ut eam tu non peteres, sic, cum exegit suam partem et tibi integram petitionem reliquit, tecum partiri non debet, nisi forte tu perverso more quod huius est ab alio extorquere non potes, huic eripere potes. in sententia Saturius, quodcumque sibi petat socius, id societatis fieri. si ita est, qua, malum, stultitia fuit Roscius, qui ex iuris peritorum consilio et auctoritate restipularetur a Fannio diligenter ut eius quod exegisset a Flavio dimidiam partem sibi dissolveret, si quidem sine cautione et repromissione nihilo minus id Fannius societati, hoc est Roscio, debebat? …